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PreenFM => preenfm2 and preenfm3 => Topic started by: Xavier on October 28, 2017, 07:57:25 PM
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Source code as well as Windows and macOS binaries are available here :
https://github.com/Ixox/preenfm2Controller/releases
For each OS, zip files contains the VST and the standalone version.
The editor is heavy to test, don't hesitate to report any problem or just say you're using it and it works under your OS.
That helps,
Thanks
Xavier
Previous editor thread is here (http://ixox.fr/forum/index.php?topic=63416.0).
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Copying and pasting envelopes is super useful!
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I was thinking to upgrade from Yosemite to Sierra and now I'm almost sure I should :)
It's really lovely to come up with so many updates on the PreenFM2 Xavier, it's constantly evolving.
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I was thinking to upgrade from Yosemite to Sierra and now I'm almost sure I should :)
Because it does not work on Yosemite ? What is the error message ?
I think i mix up with the deployment target in my macOS build.
It should work on older macOS version, i'll upload another binary for macOS later today.
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I've uploaded a new zip for macOS pfmEditor.1.zip (https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0B7fPjBEexfCBUUNXWHl0czg1cGM).
Let me know if that works with old macOS versions.
Another guy on facebook told me it does not work with Mavericks, i hope that fixes the problem.
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Even better!
Yeah the previous version would not open, it had this "do not park here" sign in transparent grey on top of the icon, and when trying to open I would get the message "You can’t use this version of the application “pfm2Editor” with this version of OS X. You have OS X 10.10.5. The application requires OS X 10.11 or later."
The one you just gave works great on Yosemite.
But I wasn't too shocked, I have another synth (Roland JD-Xi) that got a user-made editor and the developer told me that architecture was really too different to make it work on Yosemite so it's been some time I assumed I would have to move on.
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Great, thanks for the feedback.
I replaced the main zip by the latest one that shoud work on macOs 10.7 and above.
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Fantastic work Xavier! I'm going to have a play with this as soon as I get some spare time later this week. My poor Preen is feeling a little neglected. I hope it functions okay with El Capitan, but you'll be the first to get an update if it doesn't. Which version would be best for Mac OS 10.11.6?
Tom
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There's only 1 version now for the macOS.
I'm not a mac expert, i use the Juce library (https://www.juce.com/discover) to code this editor, so i don't know what it's doing with the native macOS library.
Regarding the settings i chose, it should work on macOS 10.7 and newer.
There are lots of bug in the save/load states.
Don't use it to store your preset, save your presets on your preenfm2 and use the pull button of the editor to edit them.
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New major version 2.08.2 despite the small number increase.
See first message of this thread.
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thanks for the updates , ive just been playing with the editor and latest firmware.... very usable and got some nice results quite easily.
thanks again...
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thanks for the updates , ive just been playing with the editor and latest firmware.... very usable and got some nice results quite easily.
thanks again...
Thanks for the feedback.
Do you use the mac or windows version ? if mac what macOS version ?
Thanks :)
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xavier, would it be much work to do a linuxvst build as well?
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I've checked in the 2 Makefile i used under Linux.
I think it's the best way to be sure binaries are linked correctly against the libs of your distro.
I have 2 linux distros, I could not have it compiling under the older one. It compiles fines under ubuntu Mate 16.04.
Go in Host/Builds/Linux and type make to build the standalone version.
The standalone version works fine.
Go in Plugin/Builds/Linux and type make to build the VST version.
I never tried VST plugin under linux before. I quickly downloaded the free Tracktion 6 for linux, but it complained not being able to inialiaze the VST.
What host do you use ?
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i use mixbus 32c and ardour. i will try to compile for linux. the last time i failed because it could not find the vst SDK even when it was in place...
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I never tried VST plugin under linux before. I quickly downloaded the free Tracktion 6 for linux, but it complained not being able to inialiaze the VST.
tracktion is not a good choice, since it has issues with stability and a number of quirks.
on debian/ubuntu/derivatives, the best option is adding KXStudio repositories (http://kxstudio.linuxaudio.org/Repositories) and installing Ardour / QTractor / Carla (the latter is not a DAW, but a plugin host) from there.
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Audio Unit for mac is available with 2.08.4 as well as a couple of new stuffs:
https://github.com/Ixox/preenfm2Controller/releases
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Hey, i have i bug to report!
The editor is great, no doubt about that! :D However, myself and at least one other user (am gathering info from another forum) has experienced that notes sometimes "hangs" when using the editor.
I have not experienced this using the machine itself.
I´m running the latest editor version, using the latest firmware on a newly built PFM2. My system is running W10 Enterprise X64 with all the latest updates, on a MBP 2015. I´ve been sequencing it from a Synthstrom Deluge but i don´t think it´s related.
Please, let me know what i can provide to help with troubleshooting. So far, the error appears seemingly at random and when fiddling with different sound parameters. AFAIK it just hangs and no way to get it to end but to restart. I´ll try to gather more info when i can.
Edit: tried making some edits and running a sequence (from the Deluge) on two channels with a pad-like sound with two voices on one channel, and a single-voice bassline on the second. It took some time to trigger the bug this time but after a while the pad sound hanged when switching from the filter-tab in the top back to engine.
The "hang" did not affect the bassline. Nothing so far except reboot works.
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Some feedback for you. I'm running a MBP with High Sierra 10.13.3. I'm running 2.08.4 of the editor.
First off, the standalone editor appears to work great!
The AU scanned fine and seems to work fine in Logic 10.4.0.
In Hosting AU v1.5.0, the AU editor loads up fine and appears to work.
In Renoise 3.1.0, the VST scans and works fine. The AU fails during scan. Here is the error in the log:
VstPlugs: Trying to instantiate '/Library/Audio/Plug-Ins/VST/Preenfm2Editor.vst/Contents/MacOS/Preenfm2Editor'...
VstPlugs: Plugin is a Mach-O executable...
VstPlugs: Analyzing VST plugin 'Ixox: Preenfm2Editor', Unique ID:1232621618, Version:2400
VstPlugs: Instantiate OK
VstPlugs: CreateInstance succeeded
VstPlugs: Opening custom cocoa editor window for plug 'Ixox: Preenfm2Editor'...
VstPlugs: Cocoa Editor window for plug 'Ixox: Preenfm2Editor' was closed
AU: Trying to open plugin:'Ixox: Preenfm2 Editor' (aumu:IxP2:Ixox)...
AU: Failed to create the plugin (Error:-50)!
AU: Instantiate FAILED
In Bitwig 2.2.3, the VST scans and appears to work fine.
In FL Studio 12.9 Mac Beta 3 build 108, probably the most fragile of these, both the AU and VST scan fine and appear to work fine! Woo!
Looking forward to experimenting with the editor some more when I get more time. Keep up the great work!
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quick bug possibility ?
can't set voices to more than 8 with alg's 1 to 6.
otherwise working fine so far on my mac os x 10.12.2
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Thanks for the reports.
I don't think i'll work on renoise compatibility, but it's good to know it AU does not work with it.
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about the bug reported by mbng,
as workaround, i use a puredata patch that send All note off (CC#123) or Hold Pedal = 0 (CC#64)
one or the other, depending what is needed.
I hope it help.
note : using OSX 10.9
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The latest Logic 10.41 won't seem to load the AU plug in, I'm afraid. The mac OS didn't want to let me use the editor and said it needs updating to work with the mac, but that doesn't seem to be the case. The editor seems fine.
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Thanks for that wonderful software !
I just don't understand what the "Push" and "Pull" function does, could someone explain it to me ?
Thanks
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I just don't understand what the "Push" and "Pull" function does, could someone explain it to me ?
Thanks
Hi,
Push : all parameters of the preenfm2 are sent to the software editor.
Pull : all parameters of the editor are sent to the preenfm2.
Required in some situation to make sure both preenfm2 and editor are in the same state.
Those situations include new presets loaded in the preenfm2 or the editor, or after modifying some midi channel settings.
Xavier
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The eurorack version has some parameters not settable in this firmware I noticed (the CV1-CV2-CV3-CV4) in the matrix.
Would it be crazy to add? maybe with a toggle button somewhere to enable/disable so you can still use one app for all preens in the studio?
Or maybe it can even be autodetected form the firmwareversion 2.09 vs 2.09a
just an idea
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If i find time one day, i'll probably support the CVIn firmware with the editor.
In meantime the full code is there ;)
https://github.com/Ixox/preenfm2Controller
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Hello. I suck at this stuff, so I am sorry buttttt:
I downloaded the ZIPfile and did not find a vst file.
How do I install? ::)
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Hi,
Mac os and windows zip are here :
https://github.com/Ixox/preenfm2Controller/releases
Mac :
VST are directory whos name suffix is vst.
https://helpcenter.steinberg.de/hc/fr/articles/115000171310-VST-plug-in-locations-on-Mac-OS-X-and-macOS
Windows :
The VST are dll file that must be put in your VST directory.
Preenfm2Editor_w32.dll
Preenfm2Editor_x64.dll
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Is it possible to switch the presets of a bank using the editor software? A Preset browser would be nice. Thank you!
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@Xavier
please add this extra types of filters to your software editor 🙏
http://ixox.fr/forum/index.php?topic=69544.15
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Hello
this editor does not work any more in mac os catalina 10.15
is it planned 64 bit version of editor?
cheers
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Hi Kyoto,
https://www.pro-tools-expert.com/production-expert-1/2019/9/18/macos-catalina-compatibility-the-ultimate-pro-audio-guide-check-it-out-today-to-see-if-the-software-and-plug-ins-you-use-support-apples-1015-yet
"Is It Too Early To Upgrade To macOS Catalina?
The simple answer at this point, in October 2019, the answer is YES, it is absolutely too early."
Someone has to take the code (https://github.com/Ixox/preenfm2Controller) and to recompile it with 64bits flags in XCode on macOS Catalina.
I haven't yet updated my macbook.
I'll eventually do that later but i secretely hope someone will give a try before ;)
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I have 2 questions, if I wanted to compile on/for Catalina:
1) Do I need to instal Juice?
2) I have not compiled anything without an Xcode project file yet, any general warnings?
If I can work it out, I'll give it a try.
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To be honest i don't remember too much how it compiled with MacOS.
I didn't spend lots of time on it and i never use Xcode except for a couple of projects i ported on macOS.
1) No, all Juice files are included in the Git repository.
2) I first didn't understand what you meant... then i looked at git, and it seems i forgot to push the builds/MacOs folders ::)
I'll try to do that later today.
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I updated the git repository with the version i have on my macBook.
Let me know if you can do something with the project or if something is missing.
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It compiled well for the stand alone. No issues with the stand alone. I ran it on OSX 10.12.6 and OS X 10.15.
https://github.com/matrix12x/preenfm2Controller
However, I got an error on the plugin. "Command Rez failed with a nonzero exit code."
I'm trying to work that out.
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I've tried a number of solutions, but I'm still getting the "Command Rez failed with a nonzero exit code" error. Any Ideas?
BTW on my laptop 10.12.6 no issues compiling the same code in Xcode. weird.
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I've tried a number of solutions, but I'm still getting the "Command Rez failed with a nonzero exit code" error. Any Ideas?
I think you'll be more lucky with the last version of the sources.
I'll release a macOS version very soon.
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Hi Guys, On the Mix1,2,3 etc Dials I need a number value just like the IM1 Main Dial has. I'm converting patches from my FS1R and I'm shooting in the dark on the mix values. I can get it in the ball park, but it would be helpful if I could see the numerical value as well.
Thanks.
I'm trying to map Mix values to FS1R volume levels, but without a numerical display it's really hard to do. I've also came to the conclusion that it's too much work to convert patches by hand, and the differences between the synthesizers makes the results somewhat less than satisfactory. It's better to develop patches directly on the synthesizer you intend on playing them on, they end up sounding better than an imported patch. Anyway, back to work/play!
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I found an error in loading DX7 patches. When the Sustain and/or Release values are huge like when they're both 16.0, they both load as 1.0 into the editor. The patch plays correctly, but the editor display is wrong. One or both of the 16.0 values is truncated to 1.0.
When I edit the errant operator from within the editor, the instrument sound changes to match the new values. I suspect when the total width of the combined time values in seconds is too big for the display, it truncates the values.
It would be better if the Sustain value was retained and the Release time value was truncated in all cases. Most of the time the Release Level is 0.0 anyway so the time setting doesn't matter.
I was really confused there for a while.
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Thank you very much for this update! I can confirm the VST3 plugin is working (Presonus Studio One 4.6, Windows 10 1909, x64).
Looking for some bugs now. This is what I found so far (to be continued):
* Mod-Matrix: name lfo1 exists 3 times; names should be lfo2 and lfo3; but modulation is working as it should
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Thanks a lot for the feedbacks.
Version 2.11.2 is available as binaries for both windows and mac.
I fixed the 3 problems reported above.
https://github.com/Ixox/preenfm2Controller/releases
@Zenman To have the lfo1,2,3 fixes you have to remove the xml file before launching new version :
C:\Users\[YOUR USER]\AppData\Roaming\pfm2Editor\pfm2Editor.sources.xml
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Superb! You're support is absolutely tremendous! Thanks Xavier!
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Xavier, good day!
Ableton 10, win 7 x64.
Ableton cant find vst or vst3. What can i do that daw will discover this ?
Regards
Pavel
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Hi Pavel,
Several questions :
What did you do exactly ?
Have you copied the DLL in you VST directory ?
Is the directory known by Ableon (preference/Plug-ins) ?
Is your ableton 64 bits ?
Did you have the same problem with older plugin version ?
I don't have any Windows7 to try.
But my live 10.1.7 64 bits can see both of them with windows 10.
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Thank you for reply!
1. Have you copied the DLL in you VST directory ? - Yes. I try to copy vst2.x64 files in my custom directory, where ableton looks at vst. I try to push rescsan - it gave nothing.
vst3.x64 i put to c:/program files/common files/vst3 - default location for my vst3 plugins.
2. Is your ableton 64 bits ? - yes, of course. 10.1 x64
I try to search it in my cubase 9.5 -
he blacklisted them..
Also i have win 10 x64 with Ableton 10.1 Trial version on my work-tha same case. With older version the same too.
If this helps the case, I can attach a video where I put the files in the necessary directories and do rescan in Ableton.
(https://d.radikal.ru/d09/2001/35/488c96f3b241.png) (https://radikal.ru)
(https://d.radikal.ru/d21/2001/9d/c6354f502161.png) (https://radikal.ru)
(https://d.radikal.ru/d17/2001/17/12c50d906240.png) (https://radikal.ru)
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I solved my problem :)
Steps:
1. Install Microsoft Visual C++ 2010
2. Install Microsoft Visual C++ 2015-2019
3. Update Ableton to last version
4. Reboot
// I use custom directories. For this case - swith off "use custom plig-in folder" for vst2 & vst3, swith on.
Regards
Pavel
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I solved my problem :)
Thanks a lot for the update.
I'm glad you solved your problem, because i had no idea what to do.
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Its not a problem!
Thank you for development this!
Regards
Pavel
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I had the same problem and installing the newer Microsoft runtime worked for me too.
Thanks!
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If i find time one day, i'll probably support the CVIn firmware with the editor.
In meantime the full code is there ;)
https://github.com/Ixox/preenfm2Controller
Would be an incredible addition to the editor, really miss this feature!
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Would be an incredible addition to the editor, really miss this feature!
2.11 should work.
You only have to edit the xml file for the matrix sources.
See this page to know where are the xml files.
https://github.com/Ixox/preenfm2Controller/releases
I’m far from home for an other 10 days. I’ll share the file when back if you don’t figure out what to do.
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Would be an incredible addition to the editor, really miss this feature!
2.11 should work.
You only have to edit the xml file for the matrix sources.
See this page to know where are the xml files.
https://github.com/Ixox/preenfm2Controller/releases
I’m far from home for an other 10 days. I’ll share the file when back if you don’t figure out what to do.
That would be really great. I doubt that i will understand how to edit this, i will have a look though. Thanks!
edit: i changed
<item id="19" name="MPE CC74"/
to <item id="19" name="CV3"/>
i checked on the preenfm2 and Matrix 1 Srce changes to CV1 when i change Matrix 1 in the editor.. so eh, not really working for me, but clearly i do something wrong. i also tried "CV 3" it still says CV1.
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In the matrix source xml file, can you try to replace :
<item id="19" name="MPE CC74"/>
by
<item id="19" name="CVIN1"/>
<item id="20" name="CVIN2"/>
<item id="21" name="CVIN3"/>
<item id="22" name="CVIN4"/>
<item id="23" name="MPE CC74"/>
Then you have to restart the editor so that it reads again the xml files.
If you want to recreate the default files, just delete them, they will be recreated next time the editor is started.
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In the matrix source xml file, can you try to replace :
<item id="19" name="MPE CC74"/>
by
<item id="19" name="CVIN1"/>
<item id="20" name="CVIN2"/>
<item id="21" name="CVIN3"/>
<item id="22" name="CVIN4"/>
<item id="23" name="MPE CC74"/>
Then you have to restart the editor so that it reads again the xml files.
If you want to recreate the default files, just delete them, they will be recreated next time the editor is started.
This didn't work either. In the editor these values does show up like they should, but the only selection that would stick was CV1. if i selected CV4 or MPE CC74 it would still just directly switch to CV1.
Edit: I tried a new thing..
Changing these;
<item id="13" name="Performance 1"/>
<item id="14" name="Performance 2"/>
<item id="15" name="Performance 3"/>
<item id="16" name="Performance 4"/>
to
<item id="13" name="CVIN1"/>
<item id="14" name="CVIN2"/>
<item id="15" name="CVIN3"/>
<item id="16" name="CVIN4"/>
would change the name in the vst editor but not on the unit itself, it would still use perf1 if i selected e.g CVIN1.
Thanks though for taking the time, i'm sure you'll work it out once you get home etc.
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All the filters after "Crush" also has no effect.
edit: oh... i'm on an old firmware, 2.10. i really thought it came with the latest FW since i just bought it. Will update to see if this also fixes my issue with the CV (most likely).
Sloppy of me to not check this the first thing i did...
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This didn't work either. In the editor these values does show up like they should, but the only selection that would stick was CV1. if i selected CV4 or MPE CC74 it would still just directly switch to CV1.
Just spoted a bug in the editor, when you increase the number of entries in the xml files :(
Here is a full xml file for Eurorack firmware that will work with soon to be release 2.11.4 editor.
Reminder :
On window you'll find the xml files here :
C:\Users\[YOUR USER]\AppData\Roaming\pfm2Editor
On MacOS they are in :
~/Library/Application\ Support/preenfm2\ Editor/
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Great, looking forward to the update :D
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Great, looking forward to the update :D
Cool :)
Version 2.11.4 is available in github release tabs :
https://github.com/Ixox/preenfm2Controller/releases
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Great, looking forward to the update :D
Cool :)
Version 2.11.4 is available in github release tabs :
https://github.com/Ixox/preenfm2Controller/releases
Wohoo! That was quick!
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Just installed firmware 2.11 and now installed editor 2.11.4 on my Windows 8.1 PC.
Editor didnt work, but after installing some MS Visual C 2010 and 2015 files (as described above) it finally worked. But the VST (preenfm2Editor_x64.dll) did not work. Any idea what's wrong? I have a custom VST folder. The last version of the editor and VST worked properly.
And one little question: is it still not possible to use one of the outputs as a mono output (because my FX pedal has only an mono input).
Thanks!
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Hello
Need some help here : I'm having a lot of troubles with the editor , i'm facing some unexpected bugs,for example : changing a parameter on the editor creating random changes to another parameter like the algoritm or volume (this problem happen a lot when i change envelope settings, systematicaly going back to algo28 (¿) ??? ). Often hanging notes too , or patch that suddenly change completely, or even hardware freeze with error message, everything together making it almost unusable except for some glitchy stuff (sometimes very nice actually : ;))
I'm running mac with yosemite on macbook ,, bought the preen pre assembled on van daal, everything is working fine except when im using the editor, i use the preen with both usb and midi , sequencing it with midi and changing parameters with usb, i tried and i had the same problem only using it with USB. I tried the Vst and standalone both buggy for me.
anyone have an idea what could be the issue?
Thanks in advance and take care !
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Hello
Need some help here : I'm having a lot of troubles with the editor , i'm facing some unexpected bugs,for example : changing a parameter on the editor creating random changes to another parameter like the algoritm or volume (this problem happen a lot when i change envelope settings, systematicaly going back to algo28 (¿) ??? ). Often hanging notes too , or patch that suddenly change completely, or even hardware freeze with error message, everything together making it almost unusable except for some glitchy stuff (sometimes very nice actually : ;))
I'm running mac with yosemite on macbook ,, bought the preen pre assembled on van daal, everything is working fine except when im using the editor, i use the preen with both usb and midi , sequencing it with midi and changing parameters with usb, i tried and i had the same problem only using it with USB. I tried the Vst and standalone both buggy for me.
anyone have an idea what could be the issue?
Thanks in advance and take care !
Did you update the firmware? Otherwise you probably have an outdated one that doesn't work with the latest Editor.
I thought mine was updated when i got mine from Van Daal, but it was quite old. Everything was quite buggy, editor would crash etc. Took me a while to figure out what was wrong, i changed MIDI cables, USB-cables etc..
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Yes, double check the firmware.
Editor 2.11.* works with firmware 2.11.*. Easy ;)
And verify your preenfm2 settings :
. Midi thru : Off
. Send : NRPN
. Receive : NRPN & CC.
Use both DIN5 and USB only if you know perfectly what you're doing.
The plugin redirects midi it receives to the preenfm2.
And the standalone allows you to select midi inputs.
Xavier
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Hi !
Thanks for your quick reply, i currently have firmware 2.09 on the preen with editor version 2.11 that i recently update (was using editor 1.5 until recently :P) .
I'm gonna update the firmware and tell you whats up.
Thanks, and shout out Xavier for your great work and commitment !
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Wow, fantastic! Usually I don't like computer editors for hardware gear, but the PreenFM2 editor really helps to have good overview, and make detailed edits more comfortable. To have better visible, meaningful names of v.2.11 filters is also a big help.
Thanks Xavier!
To have separate USB MIDI and DIN MIDI channels is also a big help, I use USB for editor and DIN for sequencing, very helpful.
Only issue I noticed is that the USB editor editing (NRPN?) messages leak through to the DIN MIDI also, so when I change some parameters the gear down the MIDI chain (in my case Shruthi) sometimes also reacts to these and have some glitches. I could solve this issue to have PreenFM2 the last in the MIDI chain, but if it is possible would be good to block this leaking, maybe to have an option in MIDI Thru settings that has this limitation option (Thru all, Thru MIDI, Thru USB) ?
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I would like to build the standalone version on Linux (Manjaro)
Unpacking the source file ('https://github.com/Ixox/preenfm2Controller/archive/2.11.4.tar.gz'), entering the directory 'preenfm2Controller-2.11.4/Host/Builds/Linux/' and running 'make' gives the following output
$ make
Compiling Enveloppe.cpp
In Datei, eingebunden von ../../../Plugin/Source/UI/Enveloppe.cpp:19:
../../JuceLibraryCode/../JuceLibraryCode/JuceHeader.h:17:10: schwerwiegender Fehler: juce_audio_basics/juce_audio_basics.h: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
17 | #include <juce_audio_basics/juce_audio_basics.h>
| ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Kompilierung beendet.
make: *** [Makefile:124: build/intermediate/Debug/Enveloppe_978f1a6b.o] Fehler 1
$
Do I need to run autoconf first or add options to the make command? E.g. make CONFIG=release
A few tips on building PreenFM2's editor on Linux would be welcome!
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I would like to build the standalone version on Linux (Manjaro)
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A few tips on building PreenFM2's editor on Linux would be welcome!
I haven't compile the standalone version for Linux since i upgraded the Juce Library version i use. And i'm not sure the Makefile is up to date with 2.11.
You need Juce library 5.4.5 installed on your machine : https://juce.com/
You may need to update the Linux Makefile.
If so you need to compile ProJucer from the Juce Library, then in the projucer open preenfm2controller/Host/pfm2Editor.jucer, and rebuild the Project.
Then Makefile should be ready.
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I would like to build the standalone version on Linux (Manjaro)
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A few tips on building PreenFM2's editor on Linux would be welcome!
I haven't compile the standalone version for Linux since i upgraded the Juce Library version i use. And i'm not sure the Makefile is up to date with 2.11.
You need Juce library 5.4.5 installed on your machine : https://juce.com/
You may need to update the Linux Makefile.
If so you need to compile ProJucer from the Juce Library, then in the projucer open preenfm2controller/Host/pfm2Editor.jucer, and rebuild the Project.
Then Makefile should be ready.
I have hacked around in Projucer, added the library names to be parsed by pkg-config, changed the path to the juce-modules to be included, ticked that these modules should be copied into the preen2Controller project folder. A new makefile was created automatically on saving the project. Running make from /preenfm2Controller-master/Host/Builds/Linux/ created a single executable file.
Hey presto, Preenfm2Editor starts! I just have to finish building my PreenFM2...
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I have hacked around in Projucer, added the library names to be parsed by pkg-config, changed the path to the juce-modules to be included, ticked that these modules should be copied into the preen2Controller project folder. A new makefile was created automatically on saving the project. Running make from /preenfm2Controller-master/Host/Builds/Linux/ created a single executable file.
Hey presto, Preenfm2Editor starts! I just have to finish building my PreenFM2...
Cool ! Glad you managed to have it compiled :)
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Hi there
Sorry for the late feedback about updating firmware and editor.
Using Midi to sequence (with mpc1000) and USB to edit the preen.
Things got quite better since then. In a sense that it is usable.
BUT I'm still having some bugs only less dramatic, like hanging (high) notes, always the same note, i need to send a "all notes off" message quite frequently when editing to make it stop. But Everything goes back to normal after that.
Other bug is sometimes one of the instrument get muted unexpectedly and to unmute it i need to move the glide parameter of the muted voice (?) or move the voice parameter.
I put the settings on the preen like you suggest in your post, so maybe there still a midi loop somewhere but i can't really figure out where and why nor what is the remaining problem.
I´m just sending notes on and off and a clock from mpc which afaik is a reliable midi sequencer.
Anyway still having fun ! 8)
Hope u are all fine and take care.
Baptiste
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Hi there
Sorry for the late feedback about updating firmware and editor.
Using Midi to sequence (with mpc1000) and USB to edit the preen.
Things got quite better since then. In a sense that it is usable.
BUT I'm still having some bugs only less dramatic, like hanging (high) notes, always the same note, i need to send a "all notes off" message quite frequently when editing to make it stop. But Everything goes back to normal after that.
Other bug is sometimes one of the instrument get muted unexpectedly and to unmute it i need to move the glide parameter of the muted voice (?) or move the voice parameter.
I put the settings on the preen like you suggest in your post, so maybe there still a midi loop somewhere but i can't really figure out where and why nor what is the remaining problem.
I´m just sending notes on and off and a clock from mpc which afaik is a reliable midi sequencer.
Anyway still having fun ! 8)
Hope u are all fine and take care.
Baptiste
It seems to be very important to match FW and editor, otherwise notes will hang.. so the most recent beta FW you can probably not use with the editor since the editor will not reflect what's now possible in the FW.
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It seems to be very important to match FW and editor, otherwise notes will hang.. so the most recent beta FW you can probably not use with the editor since the editor will not reflect what's now possible in the FW.
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I have editor v 2.11.4 and FW is 2.11b1 ?? do u think it´s ok ? i did not upgrade to the very last beta FW
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Hi Xavier,
May I ask you a favor for the next update of the editor? You told me in an older post answer that you forgot to implement the second digit in the LFO speed (currently, LFO speed on the editor is 1.0, instead of 1.11 on the PreenFM2 screen).
But the absence of this second digit makes a huge difference while tuning the LFO speed on the editor. I'd be happy to see it implemented in 2.11.5 :)
Thanks!
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Hi Xavier,
May I ask you a favor for the next update of the editor? You told me in an older post answer that you forgot to implement the second digit in the LFO speed (currently, LFO speed on the editor is 1.0, instead of 1.11 on the PreenFM2 screen).
But the absence of this second digit makes a huge difference while tuning the LFO speed on the editor. I'd be happy to see it implemented in 2.11.5 :)
Thanks!
i too would love to see the editor updated.. it's just way faster to use it than a racked eurorack unit where i unfortunately will have to stand up while editing, not something i feel like doing for hours.. but its overall just 100x times faster to use the editor on a PC :)
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Hey,
So the LFO needs 2 digits, OK.
And each matrix row needs 2 destinations, OK.
Anything else (easy to do) to add for editor 2.12 before i compile the 10 binaries for all plugins/standalone/platform possibilities ?? :)
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Hey,
So the LFO needs 2 digits, OK.
And each matrix row needs 2 destinations, OK.
Anything else (easy to do) to add for editor 2.12 before i compile the 10 binaries for all plugins/standalone/platform possibilities ?? :)
well, i'd love too see all the new things from the latest beta.. envelope loop etc. there was also a mention of filters being reworked, not sure if
that needs to be in the updated editor to reflect these changes.. the editor does seem to get buggy if something doesn't match with what's in the hardware.
Thanks so much Xavier!
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OK for a new "loop checkbox" in the modulator enveloppes, that makes life easier.
And i also updated the list of matrix sources, matrix destinations and filters.
Available as usual :
https://github.com/Ixox/preenfm2Controller/releases
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Thanks a lot for this new update for both firmware and LFO! I don't exactly. I soldered mine 5 years ago now, and even if i'm not the ultimate power user, i really enjoy seing it so regularly getting better. Kudos for your work!
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Hey Xavier!
2.12.0 VST3 does not push/pull now.
preenfm2 os 2.12
Ableton Live 10.1.7
Win 7
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Resolved)
Need to renew plugin inside instrument rack. Ableton bug.
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Version 3 of the editor is available and should now work well with preenfm3 v0.103+.
https://github.com/Ixox/preenfm2Controller/releases
Select "pfm3" in the top combo and you're ready to go.
As already said in the first post, the editor and all its versions are heavy to test, so don't hesitate to test and report if you find anything weird.
Thanks
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Hi all. First post from a newbie here. Just received a second hand Plexiglass FM2. Sounds great. Just what I was looking for. I updated the FW to 2.12, and downloaded the 3.1.1 mac editor (I'm on 10.15.7)
However, I cannot seem to get any MIDI into the editor ... I've selected the correct option > midi input (I checked with midi monitor app that all was OK arriving at the computer)
Also, how do I get to the preset editor page ?
I also cannot get the plugins showing in Ableton, and I have put them in the correct place. Is there a way of allowing them to be seen ?
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Hi all. First post from a newbie here. Just received a second hand Plexiglass FM2. Sounds great. Just what I was looking for. I updated the FW to 2.12, and downloaded the 3.1.1 mac editor (I'm on 10.15.7)
However, I cannot seem to get any MIDI into the editor ... I've selected the correct option > midi input (I checked with midi monitor app that all was OK arriving at the computer)
Also, how do I get to the preset editor page ?
I also cannot get the plugins showing in Ableton, and I have put them in the correct place. Is there a way of allowing them to be seen ?
Hi,
The "midi" button in the main page, is the one where you must chose the "preenfm" midi device. Use USB and select "preen mk2" on both input and output.
The menu "Option > Midi input" allow you to select a midi keyboard.. All midi from the "checked" device will be redirected to the preenfm selected in the above line.
On my mac i put VST and Component (Audio unit) file in my user library
/Users/<MYUSER>/Library/Audio/plugin-Ins/VST
/Users/<MYUSER>/Library/Audio/plugin-Ins/Component
Ableton detect them without problem.
Although MacOS requires 1000 confirmations because i'm not a approved developer from apple.
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Hi all. First post from a newbie here. Just received a second hand Plexiglass FM2. Sounds great. Just what I was looking for. I updated the FW to 2.12, and downloaded the 3.1.1 mac editor (I'm on 10.15.7)
However, I cannot seem to get any MIDI into the editor ... I've selected the correct option > midi input (I checked with midi monitor app that all was OK arriving at the computer)
Also, how do I get to the preset editor page ?
Hi,
The "midi" button in the main page, is the one where you must chose the "preenfm" midi device. Use USB and select "preen mk2" on both input and output.
The menu "Option > Midi input" allow you to select a midi keyboard.. All midi from the "checked" device will be redirected to the preenfm selected in the above line.
On my mac i put VST and Component (Audio unit) file in my user library
/Users/<MYUSER>/Library/Audio/plugin-Ins/VST
/Users/<MYUSER>/Library/Audio/plugin-Ins/Component
Ableton detect them without problem.
Although MacOS requires 1000 confirmations because i'm not a approved developer from apple.
Hi, yes, that's exactly what I've done with the standalone editor, but is still not receiving MIDI from my MPK249. I know it's connected OK, as I can edit the preen from the editor whilst sending DIN midi to it directly, just can't get MIDI in to the editor.
I have managed to get the AU plugin working now, and that receives MIDI ok, it's just the standalone that doesn't
Also, how do I get to the page to re-arrange my presets please ? Do I need to have it in USB access mode ?
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So you see the MPK249 in "option>midi input", you select it (checkbox).
And when you play midi notes, it does not reach the preenfm. correct ?
Or you don't see at all the MPK249 in "option>midi input" ?
For reorganizing banks that's in "Options", like "midi input" but below ;)
The new standalone version has 3 new "Options" menus to deal with Bank management :
Reorganize a pfm bank file
Load any bank file and reorder and rename preset.
Then you can save it for your preenfm2 or preenfm3 (there's a small difference regarding the number of voices)
Create a pfm bank file from a presets folder
If you have a folder full of preset (up to 128), you can create a preenfm bank from it wit this option.
Create a presets folder from a pfm bank file
Create a folder with the 128 presets from a bank file.
You can then load them easily in the editor.
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So you see the MPK249 in "option>midi input", you select it (checkbox).
And when you play midi notes, it does not reach the preenfm. correct ?
Or you don't see at all the MPK249 in "option>midi input" ?
For reorganizing banks that's in "Options", like "midi input" but below ;)
The new standalone version has 3 new "Options" menus to deal with Bank management :
Reorganize a pfm bank file
Load any bank file and reorder and rename preset.
Then you can save it for your preenfm2 or preenfm3 (there's a small difference regarding the number of voices)
Create a pfm bank file from a presets folder
If you have a folder full of preset (up to 128), you can create a preenfm bank from it wit this option.
Create a presets folder from a pfm bank file
Create a folder with the 128 presets from a bank file.
You can then load them easily in the editor.
Thank you for the preset manager info.
Yes, you are correct, I see and check the input for MPK249 in OPTIONS > MIDI INPUT, but no MIDI arrives at the preen (and I have the preen selected for input and output in the MIDI tab)
I have checked the USB MIDI in and out are selected on the preen
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I just double checked on my mac and it works fine.
I think midi channel can be the problem, check that your keyboard is sending notes on the channel that the preenfm is expected.
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I just double checked on my mac and it works fine.
I think midi channel can be the problem, check that your keyboard is sending notes on the channel that the preenfm is expected.
Yes I have, and it is.
I used MIDI monitor to check that the correct note messages and the correct channels were set, and still nothing.
I have also checked another controller and my MIDI interface, and no MIDI is arriving from any of them to the editor, although all is fine at the MIDI monitor app. Not sure what else there is that can be done. I'll just use the plugin for now.
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That's weird.
My last idea is that the keyboard USB device may be used somewhere. Make sure you don't have other apps open using the keyboard USB.
You can also send Midi through DIN5 to the preenfm while using the editor with USB.
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Hi. No other apps open.
I have been using it as you mentioned, through DIN, whilst editing from the app
Thanks
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The random phase update on the unison is making me very happy!, tyvm!
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Hi there, sorry if this is a dumb question
but i cant seem to find the preset page i see screenshots of
the plugin version doesnt have the "option" button - not sure how to see the presets using the option button on the standalone.
thanks!
T
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Attached here is the screen i cant get to / seem to find. In either the standalone or vst.
thanks for your help!
thanks for making this.
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Hi,
It's only available in the standalone version when you save a preset bank.
So
"Options > Create a preset bank from a preset folder"
Or
"Options > Reorganize a pfm bank file".
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thanks so much X!!!!
i made a little Ableton live Program changer - might not be useful for anyone else but me
basically im using Bank 6 as a place to save my own patches and patches i edit.....
I drop it infront of the plugin editor and it can then save the program im using with my session.... also its a fast way to flip throught the banks and programs that came with mine. Including the DX7 stuff.
im on version 0.107
it might work well for others
who knows....
thanks again
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trying to attach it
hopefully this worked :)
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Any chance of an update to the editor that includes the new Unison functionality? :)
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It's on my list :)
But i don't know when.
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It's on my list :)
But i don't know when.
Excellent, thank you!
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Just quick question guys.
I've just finished my PreenFM2 a few days ago, so far, love it!
I'm on Mac, USB MIDI, Ableton Live.
The problem is that every single time I press the PULL button on the AU, it seems the unit freezes out a bit...
Should I use a different USB port maybe?
Are there any special settings in the setup menu?
(using it with a standard MIDI cable is an option in my studio, yet, the goal is that I could use the USB midi...)
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Sounds pretty normal to me unless you mean it freezes for like 5 seconds or something.
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Sounds pretty normal to me unless you mean it freezes for like 5 seconds or something.
Yeah, a small glitch is fully OK, I have some "drop" when I use for example the Shruthi editor.
But in this case, the drop is like a good 4-6 seconds, like you wrote and sometimes I have to stop the playback...
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I just noticed something really funky...it seems that my MIDI in and out doesn't work.
I mean, all the connection are OK, and I see that I'm sending out MIDI, but the unit does not respond to it at all ...
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Tried to completely disable the USB MIDI, yet, no luck with the DIN-s...
Cables are OK, everything is fine, yet, meh, no MIDI in our out at all.
Weird!
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@vurt New version with support for preenfm2 Unison.
I don't know if you use a PC or a MAC: Mac binaries will come soon.
https://github.com/Ixox/preenfm2Controller/releases/
I did not make many tests because it takes a lot of time.
Please report any bug you see.
EDITED : mac binaries are ready and available in the release link above.
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Cool, many thanks for continuing the support of PreenFM2 :) Will test!
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i made a little Ableton live Program changer - might not be useful for anyone else but me
This is great, thank you for sharing! Really the fastest way to browse the Preens presets. May I ask: when I switch to DX7 I cant switch between DX7 banks. Is that not implemented?
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Hi All,
I just got the Host version built on Linux. To get it to work I grabbed the latest JUCE release (6.1.2) here https://github.com/juce-framework/JUCE/releases
I fired up the Projucer on the pfm2Editor.jucer file then went to the Modules section.
Each module I updated the 'Paths for "Linux Makefile - Builds/Linux"' to JuceLibraryCode.
I also ticked Create local copy, although I'm not sure if this helped or not.
Then I saved the project and a new Makefile was created.
I was getting a couple of compilation errors - one about runModalLoop not existing.
To fix that, I edited the Host/Builds/Linux Makefile and added "-DJUCE_MODAL_LOOPS_PERMITTED=1" to the JUCE_CPPFLAGS definition.
The other was about some loss of precision in casting - to fix that I again updated the JUCE_CPPFLAGS by adding '-fpermissive'.
Finally everything seems to have built okay and I can launch the editor. Haven't yet plugged my pfm3 into it, but at least it's built.
Cheers
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First off it seems to work, path for modules are found, but eventually I hit an error building the linux Host version..
~/Downloads/preenfm2Controller-3.1.4/Host/Builds/Linux$ make
Compiling PluginProcessor.cpp
In file included from ../../../../../JUCE/modules/juce_core/system/juce_StandardHeader.h:71,
from ../../../../../JUCE/modules/juce_core/juce_core.h:204,
from ../../../../../JUCE/modules/juce_audio_basics/juce_audio_basics.h:54,
from ../../JuceLibraryCode/JuceHeader.h:17,
from ../../../Plugin/Source/PluginProcessor.h:25,
from ../../../Plugin/Source/PluginProcessor.cpp:20:
../../../Plugin/Source/PluginProcessor.cpp: In member function ‘void Pfm2AudioProcessor::setStateInformation(const void*, int, bool)’:
../../../Plugin/Source/PluginProcessor.cpp:771:145: error: cast from ‘MidifiedFloatParameter*’ to ‘int’ loses precision [-fpermissive]
771 | DBG("SET > " << String(p) << " '" << nameForXML << "' value " << (midifiedFP->getRealValue()) << " param adress : " <<(int)midifiedFP);
| ^~~~~~~~~~
../../../../../JUCE/modules/juce_core/system/juce_PlatformDefs.h:130:51: note: in definition of macro ‘JUCE_BLOCK_WITH_FORCED_SEMICOLON’
130 | #define JUCE_BLOCK_WITH_FORCED_SEMICOLON(x) do { x } while (false)
| ^
../../../Plugin/Source/PluginProcessor.cpp:771:21: note: in expansion of macro ‘DBG’
771 | DBG("SET > " << String(p) << " '" << nameForXML << "' value " << (midifiedFP->getRealValue()) << " param adress : " <<(int)midifiedFP);
| ^~~
make: *** [Makefile:187: build/intermediate/Debug/PluginProcessor_e32f2d.o] Error 1Any Idea on the error?
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I haven't tried to compile for Linux for a long time.
The compiler does not want to cast an adress to an int. Maybe it should be an unsigned int.
I do that for debuging purpose only.
So you can remove the full DBG line (DBG stands for DEBUG), in Plugin/Source/PluginProcessor.cpp line 771
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Hello!
With the editor Push/Pull buttons -
If I load a preset on the PreenFM 3 then press pull shouldn't it bring it into the editor on the computer? As it doesn't, it seems to do nothing. Is there a setting that I'm missing?
If I press “push” the p3 does seem to receive. It becomes “new preset”. Is there a setting I’m missing for “pull” to communicate maybe?
Thanks in advance
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Is your MIDI out set up/pluged in? (or if you are using USB, is MIDI out set up in the software)?
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I have it setup so I can play it via midi, and it’s connect via usb for power.
I’m away from it currently but the fact it sends via push made me think it was set correctly. Ah jeez, I kind hope it is and isn’t that!
I shall check in the morning…. ::) :o
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Is your MIDI out set up/pluged in? (or if you are using USB, is MIDI out set up in the software)?
Oh jeez! Yep this was it! Face, meet palm.
Thanks for pointing that out :-)
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I haven't tried to compile for Linux for a long time.
The compiler does not want to cast an adress to an int. Maybe it should be an unsigned int.
I do that for debuging purpose only.
So you can remove the full DBG line (DBG stands for DEBUG), in Plugin/Source/PluginProcessor.cpp line 771
did that it helps!
OK I was able to compile the Host version again on debian 12, finally
Here's what I did
I did not alter the source, I just instructed JUCE to only only build the release version, not the Debug version.
I added JUCE_MODAL_LOOPS_PERMITTED=1 to the global extra preprocessor defenitions
On top of that I had to get the older JUCE 6.0.0 and point projucer, which I compiled from source , to this directory in the modules.
but it works!
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Hello
The editor on windows 10 can't connect to the Preen fm2 with USB midi.
The message "input cannot be open" keep poping up when i'm trying to connect the editor.
I've choose all the correct settings in the Midi settings of the preen and also tried differents one.
I've tried different versions of the editor.
I've been using the editor on a mac before with success with the same preen.
Somehow the conexion works in the Standalone editor but as soon as i select the device in a DAW and send midi to it (tried with ableton and reaper) the standalone connexion also stop working.
Did someone had a similar experience or know what could be the problem ?
I'm running out of ideas...
Thanks for yr help
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Somehow the conexion works in the Standalone editor but as soon as i select the device in a DAW and send midi to it (tried with ableton and reaper) the standalone connexion also stop working.
Hi hupelcanel,
It should work with windows 10.
The preenfm editor open a direct connection to the midi device to to talk to the hardware.
So the standalone AND the plugin version cannot be used at the same time.
And for the plugin to work in a DAW you want to make sur that the daw does not already use the connection.
For AbletonLive for in Preferences>MIDI
And make sure "PreenFM MK2" is not used neither in input nor in output. All box must be unchecked.
Then you should be able to select "PreenFM MK2" in input and output in the plugin.
Xavier
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Hello
Yea it works ! ;D
It was indeed because the midi ports were selected on Ableton preferences.
With everything deselected it works nicely.
I didn't know about this exclusivity thing for the connexion
Thanks a lot Xavier !