Author Topic: PreenFM2 on Zynthian ?????????  (Read 254 times)

opus.quatre

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PreenFM2 on Zynthian ?????????
« on: October 14, 2017, 12:38:57 PM »
Hello there..
I'm a dummy, when it comes to programming..
I have a PreenfM2 and I love it..
I'm also building a Zynthian.. I was wondering if the PreenFM2 could be integrated into the Zynthian platform.. The Zynthian already includes Dexed, and I'm happy for that..
But for many reasons, Preenfm2 is much better.. SO I would like to use it inside the Zynhtian..
But you will sure tell me that it's not possible, right ?? Because the programming software is different, of for any other reason ??
Life is so crual..

Except that there is sun..
Hoping you enjoy it..
Thierry

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Re: PreenFM2 on Zynthian ?????????
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2017, 08:16:45 PM »
interesting!

Xavier

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Re: PreenFM2 on Zynthian ?????????
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2017, 09:30:44 PM »

Hi,
That requires a good amount of work because there are parts coded specialy for the preenfm2 hardware (USB, LCD, STM32F4 interuptions).
But it's C++ so yes the main FM engine can be compiled on any platform.
Xavier

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Re: PreenFM2 on Zynthian ?????????
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2017, 10:42:38 PM »
Hello Xavier..
Thanx for your fast answer..
First, I would like to be sure that I wouldn't want it to ruin your business, or the popularity of the PreenFM..
I mean I wouldn't want to be told that people no more build PreenFM2s just because they have it on Zynthian..
I hope the opposite, I mean I would like to be told that because they can also use it on Zynthian, people are much more interested by your machine..

I don't know what you know about Zynthian.. It is just a multi-engine platform, as they call it.. It can run ZynAddSubFX, Dexed, MDAepiano, MOD-UI.. But all those virtual instruments, you cannot program them on your Zynthian.. You only have access to a few parameters for each machine.. You can consider the Zynthian as a "player", you have to programm your machines on a computer, and then load the presets (sysex) to your Zynthian so it can use it..

I understand that it would be much work to adapt the PreenFM2 to Zynthizan, and I guess you won't be the one doing it.. And because I know nothing in programming, I am not the one either.. But who knows ?? Maybe someone here, or in the Zynthian community, would be reay to do it.. I could ask, but in no way I would ask it if you don't give me the rights to..

I believe that making a complete PreenFM2 Zynthian compatible, would not be so easy.. But a PreenFM2 player that would run on Zynthian ?? People would have to program it on the PreenFM2, and then they could play the presets on their Zynthian.. Or they would use the existing library..
No need to be multitimbral, as one could run several instances at the same time..
I know that Dexed is already implemented on Zynthian.. But PreenFM2, with its multiple LFO, and the modulation matrix, and the multiple waveforms, plus the user waveforms, is something different and, on many sides, much better..

(and btw, a VST PreenFM2 plugin would be a great thing too, in my opinion.. But still.. I wouldn't want it to ruin your business)

Have a good night..
Thierry

« Last Edit: October 16, 2017, 06:40:12 AM by opus.quatre »

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Re: PreenFM2 on Zynthian ?????????
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2017, 05:36:51 PM »
vst?  im in!   ;)

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Re: PreenFM2 on Zynthian ?????????
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2017, 12:29:59 PM »
Hello there.. Hello Xavier.. You didn't answer, and if you don't, I won't insist.. The question can be resumed to "would you allow me to ask around if someone could convert PreenFM2 into a Zynthian copatible engine ?? And then would you allow to ake it available to everyone ??"

And it sees that, in the sae tie, a second question arrives.. What about a VST version ??

I would understand if you'd chose to be protective and would wish the PreenFM2 to remain as it is.. I'd be very pleased if you'd accept it to be adapted in different format..

Have a nice weekend, you and everyone.. And enjoy the light..
Thierry

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Re: PreenFM2 on Zynthian ?????????
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2017, 02:44:56 PM »
its open source i thought

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Re: PreenFM2 on Zynthian ?????????
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2017, 07:28:14 PM »
Even if it is open source, I wouldn't want to ruin in any way, Xavier's business..
So I prefer asking..

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Re: PreenFM2 on Zynthian ?????????
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2017, 10:36:00 PM »
Yes you can use preenfm2 code for any project you have.
Projects that use preenfm2 code have to be open source too, that's the only constraint.





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Re: PreenFM2 on Zynthian ?????????
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2017, 10:56:27 PM »
Ok Xavier.. Merci beaucoup..
I'll let you know how it goes..
Have a good night..
Thierry

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Re: PreenFM2 on Zynthian ?????????
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2017, 12:11:43 PM »
I don’t want to make bad karma here on the forum, but I don’t get the point here. If I understand it correctly, Zynthian is a diy version of V-machine or Muse Receptor aka a “VSTI playback machine”.

You can download 100 of different free FM VSTI plugins, which goes way beyond the features/limitations of PreenFM2.

Example:
https://bedroomproducersblog.com/2011/09/12/bpb-freeware-studio-best-free-fm-synthesizer-vstiau-plugins/

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Re: PreenFM2 on Zynthian ?????????
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2017, 06:35:58 PM »
Edited....

I agree, i'm not sure the preenfm2 engine would be as interesting outside the preenfm2 hardware.
One of the  big challenge was to have its flexible polyphonic FM engine working in a small box with a small display.

I don't agree about "100 free FM VSti which goes beyond the features/limitations of preenfm2".
But i'm a little biased. ;)

But the question was : "would you allow me to ask around if someone could convert PreenFM2 into a Zynthian copatible engine ?? And then would you allow to ake it available to everyone ??"
So the answer is : no problem, that's what open source is for.

« Last Edit: October 22, 2017, 10:51:02 PM by Xavier »

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Re: PreenFM2 on Zynthian ?????????
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2017, 08:45:55 PM »
There's so much to reply..

The question is not to know if there are 100 FM synth VST plugin on earths, and if they are better than PreenFM2 or not..
PreenFM2 is good.. Very good.. And I have one, so I will spend time trying to know how it works, until I'm able to get the best it can do, and to make presets for it..
And when I make good presets on my PreenFM2, I would like to be able to use them also on my Zynthian, if ever it's possible..

Great if some 100 FM VST plugins are good too.. If they are better, or even if they are worse, they might still be interesting options, ok..
But do I want to spend time trying to understand how 100 VST plugins work, how complicated and abscure is their UI, and how to get the best out of them ?? Or do I want to spend time making my presets with a tool that I know, and playing music ??

If PreenFM2 cannot be adapted to Zynthian, then it will still be time to have a look at NI FM8, or 9, or even 10..
IF EVER THEY CAN BE ADAPTED ON ZYNTHIAN, which is not sure as well..

For now, Zynthian runs a few engines.. mda epiano, Dexed, ZynAddSubFx, afo (amongst few others)..

Anyway.. Thanx Teevee for your comment.. The fact that I react against it doesnt mean it was a bad argument.. I understand your position.. Mine is simply different..

And thanx Xavier for your answer..

Have a nice time, both of you, and the rest of the world too..
Thierry