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preenfm2 and preenfm3 / Re: Few observations
« on: January 21, 2014, 07:38:56 AM »
Cool, gonna try this today!
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preenfm2 and preenfm3 / Re: Few observations
« on: January 20, 2014, 07:31:26 PM »
Found graphics bug:
Algorithm diagram on PFM2 doesn't show OP5 for Alg26
Algorithm diagram on PFM2 doesn't show OP5 for Alg26
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preenfm2 and preenfm3 / Re: Few observations
« on: January 20, 2014, 07:17:17 PM »
Maybe DC in the modulating signal introduces this 'beating' effect too?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/aldhoj04nw25fcl/PFM2.flac
It is init patch, based on algo11
OP3 -> OP2 -> OP1
I'm increasing IM1 till ~0:28 mark ( IM1= ~2.30) , since this mark i start increasing IM2 and since 0:40 'beating' is audible. From 0:40 to 1:03 i'm increasing IM2. Then i retrig key and get kinda different sound — this is behavior from #3 of my initial post.
This is how TX81z behaves with similar OPs setup:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lmnqj3zlmz4cu6f/tx81z.flac
Amazing:
For TX81z i have to retrig key for IM to take effect, but i can tweak ratios in realtime. And for PFM2 vice versa — ratio tweaking is non-realtime but IMs tweaking is.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/aldhoj04nw25fcl/PFM2.flac
It is init patch, based on algo11
OP3 -> OP2 -> OP1
I'm increasing IM1 till ~0:28 mark ( IM1= ~2.30) , since this mark i start increasing IM2 and since 0:40 'beating' is audible. From 0:40 to 1:03 i'm increasing IM2. Then i retrig key and get kinda different sound — this is behavior from #3 of my initial post.
This is how TX81z behaves with similar OPs setup:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lmnqj3zlmz4cu6f/tx81z.flac
Amazing:
For TX81z i have to retrig key for IM to take effect, but i can tweak ratios in realtime. And for PFM2 vice versa — ratio tweaking is non-realtime but IMs tweaking is.
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preenfm2 and preenfm3 / Re: Few observations
« on: January 20, 2014, 01:31:53 PM »
Yeah, Blofeld has FM abilities too. You can do 3OP FM pretty well with it. And you can FM Osc by itself so it starts to sound funnily unstable. It could be useful somehow with Blofeld, but in context of PreenFM it is kinda useless.
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preenfm2 and preenfm3 / Re: Few observations
« on: January 20, 2014, 11:23:51 AM »
5. I 'm not sure i get it. x10 on the LFO env timing ? You meant /10 on the timing right ? Strange to be in the settings, it's more a preset parameter.
6. It was in the PreenFM1 and i removed it... i'll definitely add it back. CC1, CC2, CC3, CC4.
7. Would that work to be able to access the 4 CC of previous point from the encoder ? You could route CC1 to 4 target in the Matrix.
As you seem to be really inside the engine...
I'll share this week a beta version of the "work in progress" firmware: arpeggiator, IM per voice, cheap but usefull filter section (LP, HP, Bass boost).
Xavier
5. No, i mean multiplication of existing Mult parameter in Modulation Matrix. It can be presented in settings and should be set to X1 by default. But if someone wants to exceed existing -10 ... 10 range, to make extremely deep modulations (for percussion, for example) he can tweak this setting. Yes, this can affect all existing presets, so user should go to settings and set depth back to X1, if he wants to get his common sounds back. X10 can be too much, tho. Something like X1 -X4 is enough i guess.
6+7. Yeah, i think that would be great.
Wow, WIP FW. Sounds interesting, looking forward for this.
Seems like you spent time with your Preen
Hehe, yeah. Then, i'm really interested in FM so i patiently edit my tx81z from panel sometimes. PFM2's UI is a breeze and fun to edit in compare
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preenfm2 and preenfm3 / Re: Few observations
« on: January 20, 2014, 10:26:09 AM »
Then i want to make few suggestions
4. I'm noticing that KSyn 0.02 in LFO settings producing some delay (or maybe it is placebo?) or feels not fas enough. Maybe you can set 0.01 as really instant LFO retrig? There is use case i'm exploiting alot on SW or HW synths to alter every triggered note, something like S&H: i use random LFO wave with really slow rate (or even 0) which retrigs with new random value each time key is pressed. When played fast with such LFO assigned on IM or Cutoff you get instant random mental acid line, AFX utilizes this trick a lot. Or when such LFO affects Tune slightly you can get something with analog feel.
5. Can you add (up to) X10 modulation multiplier in Tools>Set for someone who need fast sharp blips and zaps when modulating pitch with Envelope? And anyway this can be cool experimental feature.
6. What about introducing 4 additional modulation sources, W/X/Y/Z linked to CCs, which you can set in Tools>Set ? Exact thing is already implemented in Waldorf Blofeld.
7. And some kind of exorbitant feature request / idea:
Macro control for common sound characteristics that is accessible via hold key combination Eng + Op for example.
With this you can control 4 sound characteristics: Attack (simultaneously in respect of already set OPs attacks) , Length (simultaneously in respect of already set OPs decays and releases), Brightness (IMs), Transpose. It is just idea, so this could be discussed.
Thanks for your attention.
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Xavier's modification: renumbered points
4. I'm noticing that KSyn 0.02 in LFO settings producing some delay (or maybe it is placebo?) or feels not fas enough. Maybe you can set 0.01 as really instant LFO retrig? There is use case i'm exploiting alot on SW or HW synths to alter every triggered note, something like S&H: i use random LFO wave with really slow rate (or even 0) which retrigs with new random value each time key is pressed. When played fast with such LFO assigned on IM or Cutoff you get instant random mental acid line, AFX utilizes this trick a lot. Or when such LFO affects Tune slightly you can get something with analog feel.
5. Can you add (up to) X10 modulation multiplier in Tools>Set for someone who need fast sharp blips and zaps when modulating pitch with Envelope? And anyway this can be cool experimental feature.
6. What about introducing 4 additional modulation sources, W/X/Y/Z linked to CCs, which you can set in Tools>Set ? Exact thing is already implemented in Waldorf Blofeld.
7. And some kind of exorbitant feature request / idea:
Macro control for common sound characteristics that is accessible via hold key combination Eng + Op for example.
With this you can control 4 sound characteristics: Attack (simultaneously in respect of already set OPs attacks) , Length (simultaneously in respect of already set OPs decays and releases), Brightness (IMs), Transpose. It is just idea, so this could be discussed.
Thanks for your attention.
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Xavier's modification: renumbered points
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preenfm2 and preenfm3 / Re: Few observations
« on: January 20, 2014, 10:25:28 AM »
3. Ok, i'll try to tweak and record some output today
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preenfm2 and preenfm3 / Few observations
« on: January 20, 2014, 09:19:21 AM »
First of all. I've found some quirks and wanna know, does this behavior is something intended to be.
1. When i change algorithms and available voice numbers in instruments overall loudness jumps significantly. Yes, 1-carrier Algo sounds louder than 2- or 3-carrier. And 1-voice instrument sounds even louder. Don't you think that this needs to be compensated or fine-tuned somehow? Nevertheless, this does not cause much inconvenience.
2. When i modulate OP1 by OP2 everything sounds fine, but when i connect OP3 to OP2 such way for example: OP3 -> OP2 -> OP1 with any modulation index greater than 0, timbre starts to 'beat' like there is 'detune' somewhere between OP3 and OP2. This kinda differs from 'classic' FM behavior where modulating OPs with exact tuning produces static tone.
3. When i tweak IMs while holding key on external midi keyboard i get sound with one timbre and when i retrig this note i can get significantly different tone.
1. When i change algorithms and available voice numbers in instruments overall loudness jumps significantly. Yes, 1-carrier Algo sounds louder than 2- or 3-carrier. And 1-voice instrument sounds even louder. Don't you think that this needs to be compensated or fine-tuned somehow? Nevertheless, this does not cause much inconvenience.
2. When i modulate OP1 by OP2 everything sounds fine, but when i connect OP3 to OP2 such way for example: OP3 -> OP2 -> OP1 with any modulation index greater than 0, timbre starts to 'beat' like there is 'detune' somewhere between OP3 and OP2. This kinda differs from 'classic' FM behavior where modulating OPs with exact tuning produces static tone.
3. When i tweak IMs while holding key on external midi keyboard i get sound with one timbre and when i retrig this note i can get significantly different tone.
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preenfm2 and preenfm3 / Re: Freeze when browsing Funky12.BNK bank
« on: January 16, 2014, 07:32:42 PM »
Everything works now
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preenfm2 and preenfm3 / Re: PreenFM2 More Waveforms Like the Ableton Live Operator?
« on: January 16, 2014, 01:01:33 PM »
SwD looks like ordinary Saw WF
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preenfm2 and preenfm3 / Re: PreenFM2 More Waveforms Like the Ableton Live Operator?
« on: January 16, 2014, 12:54:39 PM »
Operator is kinda improved 4OP FM with ability to draw your own WF
+ Filter
I think that having 6 ops instead of 4 you can freely mimick Saw D with 2 OPs somehow
+ Filter
I think that having 6 ops instead of 4 you can freely mimick Saw D with 2 OPs somehow
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preenfm2 and preenfm3 / Re: Freeze when browsing Funky12.BNK bank
« on: January 15, 2014, 03:14:38 PM »
Only stuff i managed to catch
Have to say, when i allow Octatrack's clock to send data PFM2 freezes too, while listing FUNKY12 presets
Have to say, when i allow Octatrack's clock to send data PFM2 freezes too, while listing FUNKY12 presets
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preenfm2 and preenfm3 / Re: Freeze when browsing Funky12.BNK bank
« on: January 15, 2014, 07:38:27 AM »
I'll try to listen Zero SL's output with MidiOX today.
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preenfm2 and preenfm3 / Re: Freeze when browsing Funky12.BNK bank
« on: January 14, 2014, 06:36:18 PM »
OK. I've made some testing.
All my gear is connected through Zero SL mkII via MIDI. In this way usually: ZeroSL -> A -> B ...
When i connect PFM2 directly via USB with USBMidi activated (without connection with ZeroSL) everything is fine. When i connect PFM2 directly to Octatrack everything is fine too.
But when i connect PFM2 as first step in serial connection in this chain: ZeroSL -> PFM2 -> B ... It crashes.
When i connect PFM2 in this way: ZeroSL -> Mopho -> PFM2 it crashes but little later.
When i connect PFM2 in this way: ZeroSL -> Roland AJ2 -> PFM2 it crashes even more later for the first time (next time it crashes right after preset 2) . But it crashes nevertheless.
ZeroSL -> Roland AJ2 -> Mopho -> PFM2 — with same result
Then i disabled MIDI Clock Out on Zero SL and .. surprise .. crashing is gone. By the way, ZSL doesn't emit any clock pulses. None of my gear receives them.
So, it seems that PFM2 can't handle this signal from Zero Sl mkII. I've switched OFF this parameter so everything works fine now.
All my gear is connected through Zero SL mkII via MIDI. In this way usually: ZeroSL -> A -> B ...
When i connect PFM2 directly via USB with USBMidi activated (without connection with ZeroSL) everything is fine. When i connect PFM2 directly to Octatrack everything is fine too.
But when i connect PFM2 as first step in serial connection in this chain: ZeroSL -> PFM2 -> B ... It crashes.
When i connect PFM2 in this way: ZeroSL -> Mopho -> PFM2 it crashes but little later.
When i connect PFM2 in this way: ZeroSL -> Roland AJ2 -> PFM2 it crashes even more later for the first time (next time it crashes right after preset 2) . But it crashes nevertheless.
ZeroSL -> Roland AJ2 -> Mopho -> PFM2 — with same result
Then i disabled MIDI Clock Out on Zero SL and .. surprise .. crashing is gone. By the way, ZSL doesn't emit any clock pulses. None of my gear receives them.
So, it seems that PFM2 can't handle this signal from Zero Sl mkII. I've switched OFF this parameter so everything works fine now.
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preenfm2 and preenfm3 / Re: Freeze when browsing Funky12.BNK bank
« on: January 14, 2014, 08:49:11 AM »
Weird. When PreenFM2 is powered by wall supply everything works like a charm. Even more: when i connect USB cable to 5v adapter everything works fine too. PreenFM2 was disconnected from MIDI and PC. PreenFM2 crashes when is powered via PC -> USB.
Gonna test further this evening.
Gonna test further this evening.