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preenfm2 and preenfm3 / Re: PreenFM3 has operator feedback?

« on: February 23, 2021, 08:50:27 AM »

Would it be possible to implement algorithms with the feedback spread across multiple operators like it is in algorithms 4 and 6 on the DX7? (See the image below; sorry for the large image.) I feel like those algorithms are where the feedback gives you something different than, say, having a saw wave as your modulator.

The current implementation allows only the first operators (with no operator above) to have a feedback. (It's a phase modulation feedback in a frequency modulation synth)
Changing anything regarding the feedback is not on my list.
The firmware is open source and if anyone wants to improve it, i'll help.
I added the feedback to the preenfm3 because many people asked for it, but to my opinion it's 0.01% of the sonic possibility of the preenfm3

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preenfm2 and preenfm3 / Re: Pfm2 : unison discussion

« on: February 22, 2021, 09:42:06 PM »

Thanks a lot for the feedback i kept the first list.

Here is the 2.20u firmware for those who wants to try to this new unison
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JvdvFUr3iiqil1mkbZKQsNctCgQVKetz/view?usp=sharing

The instrument stops playing now if you change the number of voice while playing unison, to make sure following played note is OK.

Reminder :
Unison detune is now [-1 : +1].
Negative value set the same phase for all voices.
Positive values set a different phase.
I find that preenfm unison sounds best with 3 or 4 voices...

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preenfm2 and preenfm3 / Re: Pfm2 : unison discussion

« on: February 22, 2021, 07:03:03 PM »

I made a .125f difference between voice 1 and 3 (so that the 45° is between left and right when using 3 voices).
 and tried to keep primary numbers for others.
Let me know if  { .37f, .11f, .495f, .53f, .03f, .19f, .89f, 0.23f, .71f, .19f, .31f, .43f, .59f, .97f };
sounds the same as yours.

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preenfm2 and preenfm3 / Re: Pfm2 : unison discussion

« on: February 22, 2021, 06:52:44 PM »

Then I shifted the 2nd and 3rd unison voice to .125f and .25f and it makes an improvement.

Shifted ? or replaced ?
Can you let me know your float array ?

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preenfm2 and preenfm3 / Re: PreenFM3 has operator feedback?

« on: February 22, 2021, 06:50:22 PM »

Yes it has been added in firmware v0.91 last october.
https://github.com/Ixox/preenfm3/releases/tag/v0.91

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preenfm2 and preenfm3 / Re: Pfm2 : unison discussion

« on: February 22, 2021, 06:26:23 PM »

I just pushed a fix in github :
https://github.com/Ixox/preenfm2/commit/691f54d16e847a26fab8a00844e5191675e873d0

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preenfm2 and preenfm3 / Re: Pfm2 : unison discussion

« on: February 22, 2021, 05:34:32 PM »

Aouch, cannot try right now.
But it seems i made a typo while refactoring a small part :
https://github.com/Ixox/preenfm2/blob/Unison/src/synth/Timbre.cpp#L559
Can you try to replace != by = 

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preenfm2 and preenfm3 / Re: Pfm2 : unison discussion

« on: February 22, 2021, 11:10:30 AM »

Great discussion! Will you remerge the stuff to pfm3 (phase offset etc.)

Yes

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preenfm2 and preenfm3 / Re: Pfm2 : unison discussion

« on: February 22, 2021, 09:32:09 AM »

If you have any values that work better than the ones i set, i'll happily change them.

Those values are multiplied by the size of the waveform to set the starting sample to use.
0.0f : first sample
1.0f : last sample
0.5f middle sample etc.

so if you want 90 degree between 2 voices they must have a difference of 0.25f.
45 degree difference : 0.125f

There are 14 values because there are 14 voices at maximum.
So yes first values is for voice 1, second for voice 2 etc...
I agree that the 3 first values are the more important, as i don't detect any big improvement with the current algo for high number of voices.

Let me know what you find, thanks for your help !

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preenfm2 and preenfm3 / Re: Pfm2 : unison discussion

« on: February 21, 2021, 09:29:21 AM »

Here is the next beta Unison firmware for the preenfm2  2.20u
https://drive.google.com/file/d/104UNZ-R6j8ukwVbELv4xVnOZ2ii47ixH/view?usp=sharing

. CV/Eurorack should work much better
  I can still hear some weird random glitch in the sound. Not sure what it is (maybe the CV i send ?). Still have to investigate.

. Now the Unison Detune is between -1.0 and +1.0.
  With positive detune there is a different starting phase for each voices of the unison
  With negative number phases are all the same (as in 2.20t).
  The difference is not huge but i had the feeling in my quick tests that different phases sound a bit better specially with bigger detune value.

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preenfm2 and preenfm3 / Re: "Wooden" 3d printed side and front panels for PFM2 R6

« on: February 21, 2021, 09:23:03 AM »

Wow !
beautifull case 
Thanks for sharing !

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preenfm2 and preenfm3 / preen FM2 headphones 3.5 mod

« on: February 18, 2021, 09:22:57 AM »

Luckily, I have the R6.2!
By shorting the jumpers, do you mean bridging the three tiny pads labeled "1", "2", and "Aux_5v" or something else? Sorry, I'm such a newbie   

Yes that' it  Be carefull they're tiny.

Technically, the Aux output is behind an op amp that i didn't want to wire by default.
Aux_5V will power the op amp.
"1" and "2" will feed it with the audio output.
then you can use the "Aux 1 2" 3 pins. The one below "Aux" is the ground, the 2 other ones are the audio outputs.
You can plug an headphone here, but keep in mind that there's no headset amplifier and the level will not be very high.

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preenfm2 and preenfm3 / Re: Pfm2 : unison discussion

« on: February 18, 2021, 09:02:45 AM »

Thanks for the feedback.
I need to try with the Eurorack version but that won't be before this week end.

I don't want to add any new parameters in the UI.
I'll see if i can add randomness somewhere to mitigate the phasing effect.

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preenfm2 and preenfm3 / Re: preen FM2 headphones 3.5 mod

« on: February 18, 2021, 08:55:36 AM »

If I'm using the R6, would it be the same configuration?

Unfortunately it depends on the R6 version. R6.1 ? R6.2 ? R6.3 ?
R6.1 : The traces are different. There's nothing you can do. Sorry about that 
R6.2 : Same audio wiring as R6.1 but you can use the Aux output as a secondary output and wire a jack there, after shorting the 3 "Aux" jumpers.
R6.3 : nothing to do, the stereo mode is already in place for the main jacks. (The secondary output "Aux" can also be used).

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preenfm2 and preenfm3 / Re: Pfm2 : unison discussion

« on: February 17, 2021, 09:36:58 PM »

Here is a link of a compiled version for those who wants to give a try :
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IGHz_fjZTfmmGBk1qzq7rgYY6UQ9ADMG/view?usp=sharing

It's called 2.20t, not sure yet if that will be 2.21 or not.
CV/Eurorack version is not tested at all, as i don't have any Eurorack where i am for the week.